NGR NS 55416 65081. We stayed in Elphinstone Street but after a fire we had to move to my grans house at 62 Golspie Street at the corner of Langlands Road, it was known as McCormick's close he being the owner of a hardware store. By the 1860s, the village needed a higher order of administration and it was made a burgh in 1864, under the General Police (Scotland) Act 1862. My grandparents lived opposite and I remember being sent down to McGunness for an ounce of tobacco for my grand dads pipe. I was born Jan 6th 1951 and brought up in flat above Co-op in Helen Street at Govan Cross, I Went to Harmony Row and Hills Trust Primary schools before moving to Pollok when I was 10 .I have 4 brothers Dave, Bobby, Shuggie, all born in Govan ..and Alastair born in Pollok. Vezi mai multe de la Sunny Govan Memories pe Facebook. They share a rivalry with St Anthony's F.C. I went to Greenfield then Govan High left school in 1975 and worked in Govan shipyard canteen my mates wee Calum McLean, Brian Lavoury, Billy Cameron, Tam Reid, Jim Reynolds and Stephen Gourley now living in England. I lived with my aunt and uncle (Mary Steven, Mailey) my aunt was a cook in Ibrox. Went to the new Hills Trust School in about 1975 where Mrs Carnegie was head teacher. The two men, working for up to 18 hours at a time, had to be smuggled out before dawn each day. Darners later thoughts on a solution to the schemes problems were that it could be found in Community Planning for, as he says, members of the underclass are not helpless and passive victims of structural circumstances. Glasgow Crime Stories: The drug nightmare of Wine Alley (Image: Newsquest) Govan covers a huge part of Glasgow's Southside and is famous the world over for its ship building and football team. The origins of the Doomster Hill are a mystery. The first was an experimental improvement programme, which had the initiatives: the partial modernisation of the houses, the re-planning of the external environment, and the construction of a Tenants Hall. Such developments benefit the aesthetic and connective appeal of the Govan area for future visitors. When they checked the mileage they realise it was being used for much longer trips of up to 600 miles a time. However, given the area's reputation there was also a large numbers of empty houses. Added to these miseries, Damer also found that drug I loved it there we could watch the ships being built and then launched from the bedroom window. Yes Danny, Hamilton Street was renamed to Nethan Street between 1931 and 1932. 2 Markus, 1993, p. 148 This site is part of Newsquest's audited local newspaper network. I stayed all over Govan, I was born in the Southern General in 1961 and was brought home to Neptune St then I stayed in Govan Rd, Broomloan Rd and Carmichael St. There I was, short hair, snotty-nosed from crying and eating an ice cream cone. I was born in 1946 at 16 Elderpark Street, I had 3 brothers; Harry, Robert and Ronnie, we all went to Greenfield Primary school, Harry and Robert also went to Govan High School and we also went to 168th Boys Brigade and lifeboys. A similar uncertainty existed regarding the nearby lands of Pollokshields and Westends. From Rushden we came back to Larbert, then to Lauder. It goes on to say that although bad housing design, and the allowance of dilapidation has been part of the problem, still housing is not the whole answer. This present attitude towards housing has serious implications for the future. For Margaret Gibson - I saw that you lived in Kintra Street until 1960 and wondered if you knew my grandmother Mary McGill/Johnston who lived at 110 Kintra Street in 1956. Lots of other good memories but also remember the terrible fires which took place. I lived across from Fairfield shipyard and I saw ship being launched when l was about four, I saw Harry Lauder embark from a ship and he was the first person who told me I was a bonnie wee lass. Readers comments: You are personally liable for the content of any comments you upload to this website, so please act responsibly. In the early medieval period, the site of the present Govan Old churchyard was established as a Christian centre for the Brittonic Kingdom of Alt Clut (Dumbarton Rock) and its successor realm, the Kingdom of Strathclyde. Run by a tall slim guy whose son was a racing cyclist ? I would like to hear from anybody who knew any of us up until 1981 when my mum and dad left Ibrox to move to Craigton. My mum's brother Spinx (George Hewitt) stayed in Teucharhill and my dad's brother Alex Rodgers drove a milk float. 178 9 shares Like Most relevant Denise Mcdonald Many happy memories there in the late 80s and early 90s . Water was always roasting hot and bath was very deep used to spend hours in it; and who can forget the carbolic soap!!! One summer, I walked to the steamie and managed to get some photos of it. [4] In 1864, Govan gained burgh status, and was the fifth-largest burgh in Scotland. That suggested that the suspect was taking the van south to Manchester or Liverpool to pick up much larger drug consignments. However, in 1989 the same area was one of the most crime-ridden and deprived in Scotland. Introduction In 1975 the sociologist Sean Damer went to live for six months in Britain's most notorious housing scheme, Moorepark, or as it was known to all The Wine Alley' of Govan in Glasgow. HP10 9TY. Any way they started to ask us our schools and of course my mates answered Broomloan Rd, Bellahouston and Lorne St, but when it came my turn my truthful answer was Our Lady and St Margaret's Primary just up the road from here. My dad gave my a slap for not fighting them, god was only about five years old. I was in the 102 Life Boys then the Boys Brigade with my big brother Tommy. In particular, urban communities are increasingly constrained by both local and governmental authorities, and also by outside economic factors, which can and do prohibit perceived changes for the better. The Burnside gang were found with 150,000 in heroin and a large sum in cash. I recall going to the Co-op hypermarket on a Saturday morning for messages. The evidence they gathered was crucial and the jury was able to see the gang operating on the video footage shown to them. People lived with the inconsistency in the records. Conecteaz-te. It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. At the time this article was written in the local Southside paper, prices for the projected apartments were going up dramatically among the speculators.14 A few hundred yards east of this development, one-bedroom apartments at the newly built QE3 (Clydeside Festival Park) in Govan were selling for 129,995 while two-bedrooms at the same place will cost you 199,995. He also sold single woodbine cigarettes out the packet. The manager was a man called Jackie. This latter kingdom, established in the aftermath of the Viking siege and capture of Alt Clut by Vikings from Dublin in AD 870, created the sandstone sculptures known today as the Govan Stones. As a subscriber, you are shown 80% less display advertising when reading our articles. The area was parodied in the BBC sitcom Rab C. Nesbitt, though episodes were usually filmed elsewhere. I lived in Kintra Street from 1946 until 1960 and went to Broomloan Road school then Govan High. My husband also comes from Govan. The Govan of my parents had gone, the works and the jobs and the people they spoke about had all gone. The first, Moorepark Grounds, was situated to the north of the mansion from the early 1900s and made way for the housing development;[12] the second (New Moore Park, opened in 1929) was to the south-west of the neighbourhood off Edmiston Drive[12] and had fallen into some disrepair before being replaced by a business park at the turn of the 21st century, with the club moving to new facilities at Shieldhall after some years of uncertainty.[13][14]. Used to jump the dykes with my brother Kenneth. In 1975 the sociologist Sean Damer went to live for six months in Britains most notorious housing scheme, Moorepark, or as it was known to all The Wine Alley of Govan in Glasgow. We were also in the Choir at Govan Parish church and in the B.B. My dad was Boaby Rodgers he got knocked down and killed when I was 3 in 1964 and my mum was left a widow with 4 wee girls. Bought my sweets from The Modern Book Shop and Woolworths. Also remember when we started school in 1943, we had to carry our gas masks with us. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Govan Old Parish Church was rebuilt in 1762, 1826, and again 1884-1888. I think he lived in Partick and had 2 little girls. [17][18], A prominent feature of the Govan landscape was the Doomster or Moot Hill, which stood near the river, north of the present Govan Cross. Wall furniture and coverings, clothing, beds and bedding, carpets and furniture were badly affected by fungi while many of the inhabitants suffered physical illnesses related to the damp atmosphere, financial anguish at the cost of replacement and (in some cases), mental problems brought on by the worry caused by the above problems in the first place! I worked there for a time early 60s I left in 1962. We protect your brands globally and help consumers find your wines. Show More . Their powerlessness in this matter soon became clear when Moorepark was deliberately targeted as a dumping ground for Glasgows homeless, those on low incomes, and people with few housing points who were enabled to jump the waiting list if they accepted a house in the scheme. Now offering wine & beer by the glass! Moreover, there will be no demolition or destruction of any part of Govans heritage on the contrary the important Iron Age site of Doomster Hill will be marked with grass, and not encroached upon by the new housing while a special corridor will link it with Govan Old Parish Church, which is one of the earliest Christian sites in Britain. We went this year to the Fairfield shipyard museum which was very interesting. Next thing, I found myself lying on the ground. Gallery. He also procured a contract with the Royal Navy to produce vessels, notably the Jackal, the Lizard, and the Bloodhound. Police enter in twos with another car on standby. My grandmother's name was Mary Murray she had eight children one being my mother Helen who was born in 1927. If you have a complaint about the editorial content which relates to I spent 18 months there before being released on a three-year parole where I took a job in the local Cleansing Department as a midgy-man. I've looked at several sites like this, in search of a memory or a photo and never found a thing - yet it was a Govan institution. Any profits went into the family home and we knew that we would get in return our Saturday matinee money and a sweety. Every Christmas I was given a big pile of unsold comics and one day the woman gave me a bob - 12 big penny coins that filled my hand. I then went to Govan High, teachers I remember and not with any fondness are Jockey Rayburn (Maths) Duncan (English) and Miss Downny (Maths) who was a lovely teacher, I had two brother George and Stuart who also went to the same primary and also went to Govan High. Built in the early 1930s by the 1970s the Wine Ally had developed a fearsome reputation, the council "modernised" it and tried to reintroduce the original n. ; Scots: Gouan; Scottish Gaelic: Baile a' Ghobhainn) is a district, parish, and former burgh now part of south-west City of Glasgow, Scotland. Does anyone remember Reid the baker who was in Neptune Street around about the 1950s? I'll do a bit of investigating. This company continued until 1965, when it filed for bankruptcy. It was absolutely awesome growing up in Govan, lots of shops, such as; Galbraiths, Dands Bobby's, David's butchers, BrotherSoft paper shop, modern book shop, and Woolworths, we had a great wee doctors surgery on Langlands Road, Peacocks bakery, Nicholls store and Amey's cafe. Clydebuilt Database - Shipping Times, Stuart Cameron. Strange thing is that we carried passengers on some days, these passengers had a dinner on board while we discharged the cargo with most never knowing what was happening. Our father would be home right before we had to leave for school, so he would take us as it was not safe to cross Langlands Rd., Unfortunately, the week before Christmas in 1943, our grandfather was killed by a bus right at the Vogue cinema. No1seems2care. Charlotte was a sweet pup who eagerly posed for a pic. Former. Of I was born in Govan in 1941. Even having a "piece" thrown from the window was an adventure would it be "butter"and sugar or Jam what a treat! Poor health and low-levels of educational qualifications are offered as secondary parts of the equation. My husband and I ended up going into the USA. Interest. the 550 tenancies available, only 33 (16%) were identifiably from Govan itself. Teddy boys jumped on little bike and broke it. [19] It was removed in the early 19th century and Reid's Dyeworks was erected on the site. Co. Ltd., Alexander Stephens & Sons, J & G Thomson, Harland & Wolff and more. 14276 Southeast 176th Street. Mother has an excellent memory and I am attempting to write down stories about; the old shops; events streets and everything. SC 020951 It would also mean long hours of up to 18 hours day in unpleasant conditions. Later that year Burnside was handed a 12-year prison sentence at the High Court in Glasgow following an 18-day trial, while his three associates got terms of between five and seven years. I was born in Southern General 1971, lived in 1 Elder Street with my mum Ina Quinn and dad Peter Quinn, brothers and sister. 110m Govan Road Campus . On 13 July 1577, the teinds of Govan were granted to the University of Glasgow, and the Principal of the University ex officio was appointed minister of the parish. We all loved living there as Govan was such a great place and had everything you needed, especially four cinemas. Where was this democratic, progressive authority when it built the shambolic Gorbals tower block scheme? There is a story By Danny Cahley born In 57 Hamilton Street, Govan it was renamed Nethan Street if I remember correctly. We also have a great selection of craft beers! I remember that when he told me that he had studied at university and that what he was now doing was his job I laughed at his education and his job. Not a penny in our pockets other than the price of admission to the pictures on a Saturday afternoon and some extra for some sweeties, I remember my grandmother used to give Helen my sweetie coupons from the back of the Ration Book, as she had such a sweet tooth that she would have ate her way through February and March coupons even though it was only January and stores knew we were still going to be rationed for some time to come (I didn't have a sweet tooth so always had coupons to spare). Community organisation. You never forget these things, but what great days and what character building it was. Besides, authority cannot work without community and vice versa so there has to be a coming together of both sides and a change of thinking by each about how and why things get done if both parties are to do the right thing. Loving your stories, my nana was born at 15 Elder Street, Govan in 1893. Sometimes on a Sunday we would go over to Kelvingrove and (if memory serves me) run around the suits of armour until we were thrown out of the Art Galleries. 'The. Somewhere along the Govan Road, there was a sweet shop with a train set that would go around all the big jars of sweets. These were not cleared until well into the 1970s. Most of it has now been demolished to make way for an industrial estate. Does anyone remember the shop or have a picture of it in the background? Govan Church was rebuilt in 1762, and again in 1826. We then moved to a cottage at 112 Golspie Street down the lane, I always remember walking home down the lane, at the bottom of the lane we had a very large wooden gate, which we had to open to get in. The authorities plan for the scheme started going wrong when they decided (without consulting the locals who lived in Govan) to house it mainly with outsiders or people who came from areas other than Govan. The City of Woodinville's Mayor Mike Millan cut the ribbon to mark the occasion. I went to Broomloan Rd nursery then the school. Lastly, the reflections are intended to be used as a tool among the many Church, statutory, voluntary, and charitable organisations, to aid and encourage a fresh approach to the eradication of poverty in our lives today. Janet Logan (Williamson) I remember your family. I would say about 90% of them never stayed in the winey they probably stayed kintra st, briton st, brighton st or clynder st etc but never the winealley. It never surfaced again until Lil Feeney came looking for me (who I had known from Govan Initiative) and asked me if I would be interested in helping to write a Report on poverty and deprivation (along with herself and Brian) inspired by Darners book on the same theme. When in trouble the Govanites all come together. 9/1 I would so love to hear from you if you do. During fortnight surveillance in February 1989, they discovered that the same gang member had hired his biggest car yet. Reply. Interest. This is a 12th-century Latin source, but one believed to be based on much earlier materials; it records a place near Dumbarton Rock named Ouania. I lived in Elderpark Street and the Wine Alley. [28], In 1977, the Labour government of James Callaghan passed the Aircraft and Shipbuilding Industries Act which nationalised Govan and grouped it with other major British shipyards as British Shipbuilders. I married in Glasgow, Scotland in 1974 and emigrated to Canada that same year, I have lived in Canada ever since. (they lived up the pen at No. The jumps I remember were at the swing park at Harhill across from the steamie and at Greenfield where we jumped the middens and shelter and going along the wall (single brick width). My grandparents on my mother's side were McElhinneys and attended Plantation Church while my dad's side and myself attending our Lady and St Margaret's Chapel. February 15, 2020 at 4:10 PM @ Anonymous LMFAO ! In early 1989 police discovered a team of young drug dealers were operating in Wine Alley, led by older man Eddie Burnside. I'm thinking I never whined at them again. Introduction Related Pages. I try and tell my grandkids what a fanfastic place it was to grow up, no money but lots of pals and never bored. My cousin Pat and I were just reminiscing about memories of the Steamie - which I think I was dragged along to, to help Mrs. Mary Devlin, in about 1965? :bbpd: My family lived at 100 Harmony Row, Govan until I was 10 (born 1953), I lived there with my father Guido Gonnella, my mom Susan, brother William and sisters Helen Marie and Susan also lived with us. Govan was a wonderful place to start on life's trails. Log In. My mother and grandfather raised me alongside my two sisters and three brothers and various in-laws who moved in and out of the home through the years. My earliest memory is when I was about 4 playing outside our close 39 Nethan St, my mum had got me all dressed up as the photographer was coming to take our photo , me and my 2 sisters sitting on the sideboard I wandered out the house with my new truck with wee soldiers in the back and was playing in a puddle when the photographer arrived and had to get all cleaned up again before the photo was taken, I have FTD (dementia) this affects my short term memory but fortunately not my long term memories, I have cousins who still stay around the wine alley. I can't remember what we wrote, but we were very busy. Second, it encourage prospects for social inclusion by impioving living conditions and life changes while a third (indirect) factor is that, by working with authority, it can augment the personal development and enhanced confidence that participation can bring.9 I can remember having to use the toilet on the landing using a massive key to open the door. alebo. Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. Hi, I'm not from Govan though my grandparents, Janet (Nettie) and David Finlayson owned a newsagents in Neptune Street in the 1940s/1950s. One of his best customers was a former police officer who had been thrown out the force due to his heroin addiction. I went to St. Margaret's and I remember Susan's shop where she would stand outside to see where people where buying their messages from. My mother was born at 68 Harmony Row in 1924, when she was about 10 she was sent to Dand's Drapers on Langlands Road to buy thread for a neighbour and got her finger caught in the door which resulted in losing the tip of it which gave her years of pain, on a lighter note on the subway to hospital she had to pace up and down with pain which resulted in her leaving the subway with her pockets jingling. My maternal grandfather was a master brass moulder in the shipyards. He also complained about the abusive term Wine Alley, which was always quoted by officialdom whenever Moorepark scheme came under discussion For those who did move in, it was not a matter of them wanting to live in the area, it was more a case of people with little or no choice about where they could stay. My father "served his time" in the Thermotank then for many years was a policeman in Plantation Street. Govan is home to the Scottish Junior football team Benburb F.C. Her name was Mary Murray. Was never out your streets up the fighting lol Peg & the Fleet pussies,Possil Border kicked your assesmany times. I was a deckhand on the TSS Shleldhall sewage ship that sailed down the Clyde every day Monday to Friday to the tail of the bank, there we discharged the load then made a circle before heading back up home. A great place to live. Read More When all my pals joined the Lifeboys I went along too for 2 weeks, I think the hall was on Portman or Middlesex Street. I was born in Govan in 1930 and went to Saint Constantine's Elementary School and then on to Saint Gerard's in 1941, I was at St Gerard's until 1946.